Run-program does a 1s pre-infuse followed by about 1s pause, then 30s pump on. For the sake of piece of mind, I have ordered last night a K type thermocouple in order to replace the RTD P100 and close the open loop in my head about PID type and sensor. Using pliers to pull the connectors can pinch them on even more tightly, making them extremely difficult to remove. And anything is going to be a huge improvement over the thermostat that the PID replaces. I did that exercise before installing the PID, behavior should be identical as that time. I have a 2013 Gaggia Classic. For me I start steaming when the boiler temperature reads 130 degrees C. So for others who are contemplating going for the extra effort of installing the steam PID, know that the return on investment of doing this is questionable, if not net negative. Hi Chris, The YouTube video from wll about replacing the boiler made the whole thing very easy. Thanks for the great guide. You would need to put the boiler heater element between the controller terminals 2 and 3. All buttons on the Gaggia machine function the same way as they were. SSR control ready to connect external Solid State Relay to handle High current. Thanks in advance! Double sided tape will work. Monitor and display the boiler temperature precisely. Hey Chris, Im wanting to put the pid into an extended 3d printed driptray. Ive attached an album with my wiring below; Ive literally had an engineer look at it and The Gaggia is 100% at its original state except for the power taps on the neutral at the plug, the live on the brew switch, and the thermocouple to SSR wiring: https://imgur.com/a/rc4xtfz. 6. Hey Chris, Add to cart Buy Now. 2: The add-on item option "extra wire defeating auto-off timer" is for the Gaggia Classic Pro European model (RI9480, 240V), which has the auto-turn-off timer feature. Leave this cable longer than needed for now, it will be trimmed and terminated later. There are other resources online as well. So you could measure water temp at the group head at 180 deg F with the PID set to 204 deg F. There is some interesting information here: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. Approach 2: Divert from my writeup by installing the thermocouple so that it replaces the steam thermostat, and set the PID temperature to your preferred steam temperature. Which one shall we buy? Did you try with the SSR unit 40 DA or 40AA? 1. This approach would make your machine a bit weird to someone who wasnt aware of what you did, as the brew function would be completely unusable without adjusting the temperature. Select the preferred temperature unit so that all parameters are pre-set properly for you. Attach the solid state relay to the inside back wall of the Classic, using a small bolt and nut. Hello Chris, This is the only concern left for me. We ship every business day from our two warehouses located in Milton, Ontario and . Do you think this makes difference? Hi Brian. I found that carefully pushing the boiler up gives better access to the thermostat, either from above, or by reaching up from below. Keep the thermostat, in case you want to return the Classic back to factory condition. With this tight temperature control, you do not have to surf the temperature for frothing because the heater will kick on much sooner than the original thermostat. Thanks. Once warmed up, the recovery time is quick and the swing is fairly minimal. Depending on the draw of the display (I saw 50mA somewhere), you could also try running it off a battery. Hi Chris PID temperature control kit for Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+, Classic & Home. There are several PID kits that are available for the Gaggia, the most popular ones are by Mr. The SSR is just a fancy switch and it should only be turning on and off, so depending on how you measure you may not see current. The steam mode has its own thermostat, which is very similar to the brew thermostat that the PID replaced, except that its temperature range is more or less as you described. The result was overshoot of up to 18C and an inability to return to the setpoint temp, 105C, unless I shut everything off and restarted. My Gaggia Classic uses 18 awg wire for every connection inside. The biggest problem was the fact that the brew water control did not work: the SSR was never switched on by the thermocouple output. I double checked all the wiring (inside and outside of the chassis) and eventually came to the conclusion that I had a faulty PID. Possibly not the optimal position but was really easy to install and I knew Id only be getting a relative indicative temperature anyway. Hi Chris, I appreciate your tutorials on the PID install. Great guide. This way you are not losing any pressure via the solenoid valve, you are just reducing the initial pressure to the puck by venting some of it through the steam wand. But will there be an upper limit to prevent the boiler from going near 365F and blowing thermal. Is 103 degree Celsius the best target temperature fit the PID? Likewise, you can use 22 awg for the connection between the PID and the SSR. Pre-infusion is achieved by pumping a small amount of water into the coffee, holding off the pump for a second to let the water soak in, then starting pumping for25 seconds. https://photos.app.goo.gl/8yPwJcEPDi1c5tfY7 I decided that for me, its not worth worrying about. 1. The C-100 can accommodate only one sensor/SSR, so you would only set it for brew temperature. (I am not testifying to the quality of the shots! I tested the current with multimeter and it is showing DC 100V when I turn on the on-off switch. I installed an Auber PID on my Gaggia Classic earlier this year. Set the cover and screws aside. Unlike the 7200 model, this one does not have SSR inside. The kit looks a lot like the one I ordered. Hi Gene. Basically, instead of running the pump for a few seconds and then shutting it off (which dumps your pressure courtesy of the solenoid valve) you open the steam valve about 1/4 to half way, hit the brew switch and then slowly close the steam valve (about 5 seconds or so). Thanks for the PID info. The best simple info I found was a table that summarized what INCREASING each of the PID parameters would do: which I used to adjust my settings. This guide explains this well, and also explains what to do if your home wiring is not correct: https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/195229/in-a-light-switch-how-can-i-tell-if-the-black-wire-is-really-hot-and-the-white. Im thinking Id like to start with just a temperature indicator, to assist with the surfing. Let me know your thoughts !!! You can verify the SSR by disconnecting its AC terminals and checking that it is indeed turning on and off. Their kit is convenient, and is the way to go if someone doesnt feel ready to take on a 100% DIY project. Users can also bypass the timer to use the switch on the machine for manually controlling the brewing process. Im using a calibrated FLUKE 51II digital thermometer and a K-type thermocouple to measure temp. Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the, PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG, How to Download Manuals for Login-Required Kits, USB LCD PID Temp Controller with Timer, Ramp Soak Optional RS485, Silicone Braided Cable for PT100-L Series Probe, 12 ft, Water-Resistant 3-Pin Connector, Rear Mount, Round Flange Socket, (For orders placed recently in 2022) If you placed the order as a guest, you cantry the, (For orders placed a while ago) Please log in and download the manual from your order history page. It did take a few rounds to get it right, but it was successfully installed and functioning for a few months. Apologies for the long questions, thanks in advance! I have to turn the set point on the PID down to about 85C to stop it boiling and getting steam and a great deal of sputter out of the portafilter. There is definitely something weird going on. I wondered if you ended up testing both in the end. Run two 12 volt wires from the + and terminals of the solid state relay and out the back of the Classic, again using the same slot. Pull the two wires that you removed from the thermostat up to the top of the machine, near the rest of the wires that run from the front to the back of the machine. For espresso, 9 bars is the generally preferred pressure. I am going into speculation mode here I wonder if your Gaggia came with the steam and brew thermostat positions reversed? Wanted to double check here for some observations a about three months after installing the PID. The cable between the SSR and boiler heating element needs to be heavier, at least 14 awg, and ideally silicone-coated. I like the quality of the shots, and temperature consistency is more important to me than pressure consistency. On top of the original price tag, international shipping, taxes, duties and currency exchanges can make obtaining these kits time consuming and even more expensive. Also, the diagram of the controller lists SSR to connects to terminals 9 & 10. I was able to create one using Lego bricks sitting around in the basement. great article !!!! If you used piggyback connectors, it should be a quick job to move the right one over to the correct switch terminal. Im wondering if this could somehow be the outcome of a bad SSR: Im not seeing current flow between the two AC terminals of the SSR when the PID is attempting to heat the boiler to the Set Temp. Individually PID control parameters Have you got any ideas what might be going on? With a SV of 103C (not offset), during initial overshoot the heater would sometimes be one when it was at 104-105C with the temperature rising as high as 108. Users needto disable the parameter Tp, Td, and only useTb as a shot timer to pump a specific time. It would also be a bit of a weird machine, but this approach wouldnt require any mods or re-setting of temperatures to use the machine to brew. 0. If you go for a PID, you need to use a thermocouple. The only cable arrangement I had to change after installing the PID was switching those cables in the back, the one on the top I had to put in the bottom, and the one on the bottom in the top, otherwise the PID would stay on when the machine was off, and off when the machine was on. The kit is compatible with both 110VAC and 240VAC power. Because the wiring connections can vary between manufacturers, you should bench-test your setup before final assembly. Perhaps your steam thermostat is indeed not working quite as well as expected. But, I still get loads of steam and spray before it settles down. Im assuming it should be fine as well to use 18 awg wire to wire the mains connections to the PID, and between the heating element and the SSR? The idea of the chassis becoming live doesnt bear thinking about. Did you reverse any wires to the steam switch? It seems the wiring varies even within model years, and between model regions. The taste of a real Italian espresso everyday! What exactly is a mains-rated wire, and where would I find one? To set the target temperature, press the 'Set' button on the front of the panel. So the above instructions might not apply to the UK, I have the GC2019 but the live connection was the top right on the power switch when switched on, bottom left caused the PID to flicker and not work as expected, I fixed my issue but now the PID readout is 103 Dec but the water is 80 degrees, didnt think it would be off by this much. Well I ordered the wrong thread. Hi, I just completed the DIY kit last night using your guide and it all went perfectly! It is still showing the M4 screw as the Crossed out/wrong one, and can be a bit confusing. Sign up for emails. I would like to use it for steaming ONLY. 5: The PID controller in this kit is NOT SYL-1512A. That is indeed not normal. Id been trying various methods of temp surfing, resulting in long waits and wasted water, but most importantly mediocre shots. But it will require some dismantling of the work you have done. Locked Topic Sticky Topic . One last question: Auber and Mr Shades are calling their sensors PT100 while mine is K type thermocouple. Some shops are quoting $80.00 for the PID enclosure + lid. Try powering the PID directly from mains power, with just the thermocouple connected (disconnect the SSR). You can use the same 18 gauge wire between the heating element and the SSR. The PID itself draws very little current, so something like 18 gauge lamp cord would work. I am glad you solved the problem, Murat. I would not try anything without checking first. If not, can you think of any potential mistakes I made along the way? Not sure why that was the case. I know what I will be trying tomorrow , Hi, Hello, thanks for the nice and valuable text. Close. Hi Chris or anyone who may know the answer! Instruction Manual: The instruction manual & installation documents areonly available for download for customers who already purchased the kit. I also think that you may have less difficulty reaching the thermostat, the 2019+ models have a lot less room to spare inside. This prevents the high-pressure water from contacting the dry coffee powder which can create afast flow channel, ruiningthe brewing process. I found that moving the boiler up and to the side allowed me to get to the thermostat from the bottom really easily vs. the top. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). If youre not comfortable installing this yourself, and taking on any followup maintenance, I think you would be much better off purchasing a machine that comes with a PID from the factory. The PID will be more or less bypassed when the steam switch is on, it will just stop trying to heat because the boiler will be over the PIDs target temperature. Thanks heaps for the detailed instructions. If you are in the U.S. then mains voltage is 120V, which will not kill you (unless you have a pacemaker or are standing in a bathtub) but can give you a decent shock. No extra button is needed to press for frothing. The documentation showed the default settings as P:30 I:240 D:60, but after tuning they were P:37 I:50 D:12. Although this is optional, it is difficult to access the power switch to tap power for the PID, and it is almost impossible to reach the thermostat without moving the boiler, and the boiler cant be moved unless the steam wand is removed. PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home PID Temperature Control Retrofit KIT for Rancilio Silvia Espresso Machine [KIT-GG] - $149.50 : Auber Instruments, Inc., Temperature control solutions for home and industry Home :: Coffee Machine Kits :: PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home Coffee Machine Kits Product 4/21 The PID kit you described should work, but like the C-100 kit the I used, the included thermocouple wont fit in the Gaggia Classic. So I say go for it, but as Chris said, if you really dont feel comfortable with it, pass on the PID or try to find someone who can install it for you. Hi Chris, Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. But I would definitely read the instructions that come with whatever you receive! Please check KIT-GGX-EUinstead. KIT-GG Installation Guide Version 1.3 Auber Instruments, 730 Culworth Manor, Alpharetta, GA 30022 e-mail: info@auberins.com Tel: 770-569-8420 www.auberins.com . However, depending on the seller, some settings may need to be changed. Im tempted to return the GC because I never used it prior to the mod and it may have been a pre-existing issue. Heat the shrink tubing. You should see no or very low voltage between neutral and ground, and you should see household voltage between the hot/load and ground. If you had to recommend a single display PID, which one would you steer me to? Neutral is the return path for the hot or load wire. . on orders over $49. This steam blipping is a fairly common practice that people use to avoid boiler heater cycling, its just another way to do temperature surfing. When the PID signals the SSR, as indicated by the brew ready light and the output led on the PID, the pressure coming out of the pump decreases, and then increases again after the PID out to the SSR turns off. save. Fortunately, no damage done, and you can easily revert your changes. (for a reasonable fee of course). K type thermocouple, 0-500, 2m cable (6 feet). Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, How to Download Manuals for Login-Required Kits, Temperature Controller for Weber Smokey Mountain/ Akorn, PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home w/ pre-infusion, Automobile Multimeter for EGT, Boost, Red, Universal 1/32 DIN PID Temperature Controller. if i understood not adding a steam will give better steam? The 12 volt wires from the SSR connect to terminals 4 and 5. I cant see why you couldnt. Warranty: 6-month limited warranty with a 30-day money-back guarantee is offered. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Im running into problems and I dont know if my REX-C100s starting values are the problem or if its my deviation with the wiring: Regardless of the temperature that i set on my PID, toggling the Gaggia on causes it to climb to 150-160C and then slowly decline to 118-125C, at which time it will heat up again. You can take a look at this discussion about offset in the Gaggia Classic: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. Please be sensible and install a grommet anyway! If you want to defeat this feature, please add this optionto your order. Despite the K02 indicating K-type, it was advertised as supporting multiple types including PT100. Auber Forum PID Kits for Coffee Machines PID Kits for Gaggia; Poll Moved Topic. Thanks a lot for the answer. Even if that is the case, i dont have a clue as to why i would be in steam mode, since i didnt touch the steam mode button or its wires, i have already reverted my swap of the power switches wires (just from up to down on the same switch so that shouldnt have impacted anything) and ive validated that the rollback was correct with a multimeter. Espresso Machines; Parts & Accessories; The lack of consistency pre-PID is frustrating, because you can get everything else right and still be at the mercy of the temperature determined by the thermostat cycle. Maybe Im missing something? Plug in a mains-rated wire connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original neutral cable into the piggyback. Brilliant article. You can search on Reddit, a few people have made these modifications. Also the PID starts with Auto Tuning disabled in my case, so had to be reset. (For orders placed recently in 2022) If you placed the order as a guest, you cantry the, (For orders placed a while ago) Please log in and download the manual from your order history page. The installation is completely reversible if you ever want to sell the machine or send it to service. This is sold on amazon A cheap multimeter is all you need. Instruction Manual for PID controller kit - Picr. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). Spent a relaxing boxing day fiddling around with this mod. Other than that mine was a fairly straightforward procedure with no trouble at all. Hi Chris. A Gaggia Classic Pro installed with KIT-GGP. I have a 2012 and am wondering if you had success and if the wires are as described in the article. If in doubt, sit it out, and get some help. To set the target temperature, press the Set button on the front of the panel. on orders over $49. I ran the Autotuning function couple of times and I am always getting the following values for P, I and D parameters: P=620 , I=32, D=8. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Regardless of which thermocouple you choose to use, you will also need to factor in an offset no matter what thermocouple you use, and this is really based on your tastes. I just finished installing the PID hardware in my Classic Pro today. Your Gaggia would be in steam mode by default, you would never have to switch on steam mode. The image I used is wrong and confusing, and I have now updated it. 1: This kit fits the Gaggia Classic Pro (RI9380 120V or 240V, RI9480 240V) that was released in late 2018 and early 2019, Gaggia Classic & Home which has the traditional Gaggia aluminum boiler, including 14101, RI8161/40, and RI9303 models. Inside the GC, all bets are off as to wire colors, aside from green for ground, and even then, I wouldnt assume anything. Hi Jeff. With a PID controller added to the heater control circuit, brew water temperature can be controlled to within 1 accuracy. You wont need the heat sink, the GCs case does that job for you. If you have questions regarding ourcoffee kits, please check ourHelp Centerfirst. Have you written an article regarding installing a Gaggiuino mod? View Product Information. For questions, please contact us. Its crazy. Guys, there is mains voltage here. Adding pre-infusion would require either a different and significantly more sophisticated PID, or integration with something like a microcontroller. And this is the thermometer out the back. The countdown extraction timer contains three segments: pre-infusion pulse (Tp), soak (Td), and brew (Tb). What is your coffee bean dark or light? You would probably blow the fuse in this controller/SSR within seconds. did the REX-100 require most of the default setting to be changed or is it similar to changing like shades PID or Auber PID. Main Feature. I still have one question you may be able to answer. Have you gone through the (three) menus on the pid , using the instructions of your pid. Thanks. Once these bolts are removed, the boiler can be moved around without having to disconnect any hoses or wires. But just like the kit I ordered, the threads on the thermocouple M8 according to the specifications are too big for the Gaggia. Steam will still be controlled by the steam thermostat. i set an upper an lower limit on alarms. Realized with your last comment you dont have the offset in place, my bad. Is this typical? Thanks for your reply: I think you are correct about the Gc being stuck in steam mode, but I never touched the steam switchs wires and reverting the top/bottom swap on the power switch didnt solve the issue. You are right, its an M4 thread, not M3. This PID controller kit has all the features of our other listing titled "PID temperature control kit for PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic & Home, KIT-GG", with the addition of pre-infusion and steam temperature control. But espresso is also among the more complicated ways to make coffee. My experience, and that of others including a commenter on this article, is that I would not want to go lower than 103 on the Gaggia Classic. Ive noticed that the PIDs output1 LED isnt illuminated after it climbs above my set temperature (103) but the boiler is getting heated up regardless. Thanks. Always double-check your specific models wiring terminal layout and numbering scheme. When the steam switch is turned on, the on/off temperature of the heater is controlled to 1 degree (F or C) difference as compared with the original thermostat's >10C (or 20F) difference. Thank you Chris for the awesome write up. I just installed the pid on my Gaggia classic Pro following your instruction guide. This is really a DIY project. The steam temperature controlallows the boiler temperature to be held at a tighter range during frothing. You should see a strange number when the PID first powers on, then after about 3-5 seconds it should switch to the temperature reading from the thermocouple. But follow chriss advice and be careful and you should be OK. And also use a rubber grommet to route your wires through the slots in the back of the chassis. shades uses 2 connecting one ssr thru the other for steam. I adjusted the calibration offset on the PID +5.5 degrees to read 212 degrees.Have you any suggestions of more accurately calibrating the PID and TC? The Gaggia Classic is a very capable espresso machine that gets even better with a couple of improvements. Use the other probe to check the other two wires coming from the power socket. You effectively would have two steam modes, one PID-controlled that replaces the brew mode, and one classic thermostat-controlled steam mode. Thanks, I see what you mean. Contrary to the Gaggia circuit diagram, Black is live, White is neutral, a minor issue. I strongly suggest checking which switch terminal switches the mains. Since I cant control that, if you want to use it, you will have to parse the data: each line, after the headings, should start with the PID parameter (P, I, D) followed by the reaction of the controller. On thing I realised is that Mr Shades does not allow purchasing the parts seperately unless you already purchased the kit as a whole. As for your PID always remaining on, it looks like you wired it to the unswitched mains, instead of the switched power. I bought the PiD from Amazon referenced in a comment above and its working fine. These connectors are hard to reach, and are on very tight. Plug in a mains-rated cable connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original switched mains cable into the piggyback. You want to connect the PIDs mains power terminal to the side of the Gaggia power switch that cuts out power when the machine is off. This wont be enough for the boiler heating element. I hope you enjoy your upgraded GC as much as I do mine! Shades and Auber Instruments. Good idea Chris. Manual Machine Shop. My only concern is the diagramm I downloaded from whole latte love shows different connections then what I have seen in my unit May I have your help about finding out which ones I should get from Shades? GRAN GAGGIA PRIMING. Posted by 4 years ago. I'd like to increase the brew temp a couple of degrees but have no idea how to do this. Poll Moved Topic. You could approach this two ways. From what I have read, the PID with the additional steam mode option does not improve things much. For those interested I just bought a cheap ($13) K-type thermocouple and thermometer (TM-902C) https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/224710871179. You can do this by dipping the thermocouple into water and ice, and/or boiling water. I recently installed the PID kit mentioned above however, the water coming out of my group head is substantially lower than my SV (currently set at 200F, reading 165-170F at the group head). Required fields are marked *. MY GC does the same thing, the pump tone changes when the boiler is heating. I am glad you got your setup working Murat. You should now have two mains wires, two 12 volt wires, and the shielded thermocouple wire running out of the back of the Classic. Hello Chris, Or buy a machine with a built-in PID. Thank you for making it. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. So this suggests that the machine is getting much hotter and I reduced the the set point to 95deg from your recommendation of 103degC. I managed the brew side PID and digging in for the steaming side, using PID alarm function of my XMT 7100 unit. The 103 is not a true 103, that is what is getting measured in the boiler wall, and there is also a temperature drop off between the boiler and the portafilter, so your final espresso temperature will be lower. Do you have any idea how to do? Regarding the M4 screw/ thermocouple, is it possible to amend the picture? Warning! 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