You can see the person is trying to just exhaust his opponent with tons of words and unnecessary verbosity instead of arguing the actual points. This argument simply recounts a story that may or may not be true, and the person in question expects it to count as evidence of their point of view. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! This ignores the empirical evidence that the person who claimed Itachi can stand a chance against Galactus is simply wrong. He can sense people light - years and dimensions away! For thousands of years, he remained trapped, aging but never truly dying. Example: "The OPverse is stronger than the Narutoverse. In certain situations, we would not grant a R>F Transcendence to those who exist in the 'real world' compared to the game. "That is too vague, Goku has trouble sensing someone with normal human ki, even if we assume the Flash has ki (which is not necessarily true), then since he uses the Speedforce for his powers and not ki, his ki would not be any greater than that of a normal human. He can easily sense the slow - ass Flash right in front of him! Example: "No Bleach characters are faster than light. Throughout this article, you can generally think of an authority as an identity provider. As such, please follow suit and do not try to argue for allowing it again, as it only serves to waste the time of other members. He declared himself leader over the angels created after him, lying by claiming to. It has been discussed numerous times and firmly rejected, as it is very inconsistent and contradictory. Vague cameos of author avatars, hints at a "player" character without further context or similar things should be disregarded. A well-written professional review will address the authority of the author. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Content Revision Threads need to be supported by scans, quotes, video clips, accepted calculations, or any other direct proof that claimed events actually happened in the source material. This is when someone's conclusion is not implied at all by the premise. This is when someone attempts to use an analogy to prove a point, but the conditions of the analogy differ from the original scenario enough to render the point from the analogy invalid. The person ignores the fact that this could have been a statistical anomaly, and that it doesn't necessarily hold true all the time. Is that person or organization credible? However, depending on the details and depictions of the Reality-Fiction Transcendence, it can be more than a simple 'dimensional jump', for example because each reality-fiction "level" having been explained to contain more than one level of infinity (e.g. Angel of Death Row: My Life as a Death Penalty Defense Lawyer (Hardcover) by. This is an appeal to wishful thinking. This is a fallacy where someone makes an argument of the following form: "All contents of set A are also contents of set B. X is in set B. Make sure to explain your suggestions in a structured manner that is easy to comprehend. A character that qualifies would usually then scale to one level of infinity higher than the totality of the cosmology they transcend. This fallacy consists of a situation when there are two possibilities, and if one is known to be true, claiming that the other one is false, when in fact they both could be true. Content Marketers. However, certain topics keep popping up repeatedly, generally made by new members, despite being discussed and resolved multiple times in the past. . directly stated to move faster than light, Discussion threads involving Discussion Rules. Example: "Dark Schneider is really powerful.". This is when someone presents a piece of evidence, but only presents some of it, ignoring critical factors that would cast the evidence in a whole different light, and would not necessarily support the person's conclusion. Example: "If rocks fly upwards and craters are formed spontaneously around something, it must be increasing the power of its own gravitational field. So Naruto beats Ichigo". Anywhere else it is useless. Some are more regulated than others. Example: "It's my opinion that Naruto characters are faster than light, so they are.". We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured. This serves to ensure that all content additions, even those suggested by staff members, are subject to supervision and oversight. Also, Luffy's powers have no effective counter to those of Aokiji. Author An author is the creator or originator of any written work such as a book or play, and is also considered a writer. Example: "You only think Superman could beat Goku because you hate DBZ!". It is also completely incompatible with our tiering system, given that it was mainly created in order to flood wikis such as our own with hundreds of tier 0 pages. Furthermore, adding a link to a respect thread or character analysis video with the intention of providing quick access to a large collection of feats is acceptable, but each of those feats should be analysed step by step to ensure that they are not presented out of context, and any calculation-dependent feats should be placed in wiki blog posts and evaluated by our calc group members to ensure sufficient accuracy. Omnipotence is its definition. Example: "Goku will easily beat American comic characters! Nami blocked Enel's lightning in the Skypeia arc, so therefore Nami can move at relativistic speed.". Therefore Gai knows genjutsu as well.". The person in this example states that since they do not know of something personally, it cannot exist. This is when people assume that because their opponent has committed a logical fallacy, their argument must therefore be wrong. The person in this example is ignoring the comparative power difference between a fly and a bear and Naruto and Ichigo. Additionally, it is worth mentioning that Bureaucrats primarily have a lot of authority when it comes to major wiki policy changes, rather than regular content revision threads. However, he could exert enough energy to take Will's hand when he offered it to him), Range: Kilometers with most abilities, Multiversal+ for Soul Manipulation, Telepathy, Mind Manipulation, Teleportation / Portal Creation & Illusions | Standard melee range, Intelligence: Incredibly high (Was a cunning and manipulative being with millennia of experience, who convinced not only all of Heaven but most of the multiverse that he was a supreme, Omnipotent deity) | Senile & Dying, incapable of coherent thought, Weaknesses: None notable | Is an extremely old and frail man who can't stand or move on his own. The concept is most commonly used to apply to author avatars and other beings in the 'real world'. This argument's claim (Ichigo didn't really defeat Byakuya, it was more like a tie) is true, but that is irrelevant to the point of the opponent's argument (to show Ichigo's speed). This is when someone uses two different meanings of a word to imply something that isn't necessarily true. The weapon was only ever used on Ronan, and the feat has been deemed too inconsistent to be considered anything other than an Outlier. What the TV adaptation has yet to reveal is that the Authority is the first-ever angel to be created by Dust. We have very repeatedly discussed this issue, and have reached the conclusion that the verse in question will never be allowed to have profiles in this wiki. The person in this example dismisses his opponent's argument based on the fact that his opponent did not write it personally, ignoring any evidence or points it may contain that would be valid. This argument ignores the possibility that characters could be difficult to track even if they moved below sound speed. . Please avoid creating content revision threads questioning the legitimacy of, Do not attempt to downgrade the Tier 1 ratings of, Please do not attempt to downgrade Kingdom Hearts on the basis of, It is respectfully requested that any attempts to initiate or perpetuate discussions regarding the downgrade of. Therefore, Enel is omnipotent.". That means he can't have fast combat speed.". Luffy's not strong, he couldn't even beat Aokiji.". All of the above would be considered less 'real' than the person who views the cosmology as such, and can directly imply qualitative superiority. Please do not try to add any characters from the Cool Cat series. For information regarding the procedure that needs to be exactly followed to register there, please click here. The input and comments of these staff members and trusted knowledgeable members should be carefully considered by those with evaluation rights, and may influence the final decision regarding the approval of a content revision. Before making sweeping or significant changes to characters or verse pages, please start a thread in the, In cases where the series verse has a significant following or a large amount of material has been published based on its content, it may be necessary to seek approval from. Therefore, anything drawn with afterimages and blurry effects must be moving very fast.". One thing to keep in mind, is that even if someone is using a fallacy, it does not necessarily mean that their argument is not true. You're wrong. The fates of two young people caught in a conflict of ideals is the theme of this stirring and tragic novel, set in the England of Elizabeth I. Therefore all One Piece characters are immune to physical attacks.". This type of argument claims that since A is associated with B, then A causes B. The person in this example is ignoring the fact that "lightning speed" or "faster than lightning" are very common figures of speech that rarely ever denote actual speed of that level. The burden of proof is always on the positive claim, and the person who makes the claim. We call the state of existence in which a character is so vastly superior to another due to such a difference between Reality and Fiction "Reality-Fiction Transcendence" or sometimes "R>F transcendence" for short. noun Word forms: plural authorities 1. a. the power or right to give commands, enforce obedience, take action, or make final decisions; jurisdiction b. the position of one having such power a person in authority 2. such power as delegated to another; authorization; warrant he has my authority to do it 3. Let's take a closer look.. Scripture's authority doesn't depend on whether mankind cooperates with it or understands it. Ajimu Najimi (Medaka Box) possesses 12,858,051,967,633,867 official powers/abilities. etc.". The opposite would be true, though. Example: "Everyone on that forum says that the PS3 is way better than the Wii.". this statement was given by George Lucas to standalone Vanity Fair article and was explicitly his own opinion, which does not take into account the events of Dark Empire. author ngha, nh ngha, author l g: 1. the writer of a book, article, play, etc. He's faster than Hercules, stronger than Spider-man, smarter than the Rhino, and a better tactician than Thor!". The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. Even if person B is right and person A did lie about that, that doesn't mean that person's B's lie about Buu's power level should just be accepted. ", Person B: "Well you lied when you said that Post - Crisis Superman moved the earth by himself!". Author Authority Destiny Manipulation Future Manipulation Identity Manipulation Mental Manipulation Past Manipulation Present Manipulation Samsara Manipulation Soul Manipulation Omnifarious Almighty Absorbing Replication Body Recreation Mindshifting Belief Dependent Physiology Self-Particle Manipulation Personal Status Soul Recreation The opening post of a content revision thread has to include a clear summary in the opening post what major changes are being made so that everyone involved in the discussion will be on the same page. If the statement conflicts with the story or feats of the character? VS Battles Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. To reiterate, when creating content revision threads, it is best to keep your suggestions as structured and simple to understand as possible, so the staff will have an easier time evaluating the text. 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