Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone (no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. Keep reading to find out. Well if other people can show my view of the film is flawed I'll agree but it seemed like hes only able to continuous time loop and return from the dead in the dark dimension because there is no time there only the power of time that he brought with him. And while he used all manner of magical spells on the Mad Titan, he seemingly never considered trying the same Dormammu time loop trick again. A subreddit dedicated to the Marvel Cinematic Universe! Hence I'm very curious if there are any possible combos/changes that four stones could overcome the power of time Stone and foresight. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Dr. Kaecilius summoned Dormamu through some kind of ritual, and that took some serious preparation. Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. Strange himself used the time stone to trap Dormammu and his dimension in a time loop. Ben has taken a 'Film Production & Cinematography' university course, and recently completed a 'Scriptwriting' masters course, both completed at Bournemouth University. He brutally grabs Thanos' throat and forces him to experience his entire life asthe Conquererliterally ages the Mad Titan to death. The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? Growing up in the English countryside on a mixture of Star Wars, The Simpsons and Aardman, Alex is a lifelong movie obsessive. Running out of options on their world, this variant of Strange elected to use the corrupting evil tome, the Darkhold. What i'm curious about is why strange didnt use the time stone from the past to restore his own so that future threats like dormmamu wont be a problem. Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? For the same reason he didn't just cut Thanos' hand off or his head like they did the other guy. The biggest hole in this theory is that the Time Stone itself could be powerful enough on its own to reverse the damage to the Gauntlet or Etri's hands, as seen by Thanos using the Stone to restore Vision after his temporary destruction at the hands of Scarlet Witch. A victory for Strange is probabaly something akin to: Defeating Thanos, while also having a way to save countless others, while also not opening the door to allow other powerful beings to come in and get the stones. Related: The MCU's Next Big Villain Just Handed Thanos His Most Shocking Defeat. In light of this, a recent fan theory proposes that Strange foresaw the emergence from Eternals. If he knew about this event, then he may have taken it into account when giving Thanos the Time Stone. Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Next: Captain Marvel Is Stronger Than Aquaman - Even Underwater. Press J to jump to the feed. Awesome, do me a favor and check another 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 just to be sure. International political treaties are the reason why nuclear weapons are basically just expensive line items on a budget, not an actual tool of war now. Strange wins. Let's be real here: Dr. Strange affected freaking Dormammu with his atomic manipulation , if Dormammu had hard time against it, then Thanos has no Existence of the TVA absolutely ruins this scene for me because it doesn't matter how many outcomes they lose, the TVA were always waiting in the wings to step in and prune the timeline should they fail. He was putting all his focus into stopping Kaecilius and then reversing time. Attempting to use his magic to find a better way might have set off an Incursion as well. WebCan Thanos beat Captain America? Seeing that this battle is as important as it is Dr. It also could be that Strange was only able to access successful futures feasible in his universe. It is a really dark question that I havent seen anyone really talk about. A similar decision was taken by Stephen who can see into the multiverse when he handed Thanos the Time Stone, which seemed ridiculous at first but was necessary to save his reality. If this is the case,many are left wondering why Strange didn't intervene. They were headed to Titan to fight Thanos, and he wouldn't be there if the stones weren't there. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. Not all powers work the same way on everyone. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone and saw the one (and only) path to victory over Thanos. And maybe (and apologise for the cross fandom mention {HP}) Strange is only worthy of possessing one of the infinity stones and not mess up everything - but again, new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. I'm under the impression that four stones should be more powerful than just one. As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. Why Didn't Doctor Strange Trap Thanos In A Time Loop? Perhaps, duringhis fight with Thanos in Infinity War, he could have aged Thanos into an early (late?) He knows that he has the ability to alter the time stream, so I presume he was considering those possibilities as well in his 14 million options. There may be only one way to do that. KEEP READING: Eternals' Best Twist Was Making Its Superman the Secret Villain. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. And yes, I understand that Thanos had other stones that would allow him to be less susceptible to the time stone's power, but the stones, as far as I know, don't act independently. or does he go into a "void" so to speak only to re-emerge later when the hulk snaps everyone back? That is why the story of Jesus Christ resonates so strongly with people because they believe he sacrificed himself to save everyone. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness showed an alternate ending to Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame where Thanos was defeated on Earth-838. In this flashback moment, the MCU's Illuminati defeated the iconic Marvel villainon his homeworldTitan,as the shot showed the villainwith his double-bladed sword piercing his chest. Doctor Strange in the MCU timeline is shown to defeat his opponents through magic and intelligent work. When Strange was looking into the future, did he see the 5 year gap or was it like a blank void to him, and then being re-awakened again when the Hulk snaps everyone back? None of the other allies can die. It takes the power of all three stones to create the laws of physics as we know them, independently they lack the qualities of the other. Since Thanos exists inside the time, his memory will be reset, therefore the time loop won't make him tired and fall like it did to Dormammu. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. :) This guy does fake pitch meetings for movies and has about 10 of them devoted to MarvelDoctor Strange Pitch Meeting. Marvel/DC. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Did he? Distractify is a registered trademark. "Oh, we win in 1 of 14,000,000 scenarios? Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. After the game-changing events of Avengers: Endgame, Marvel Studios hasn't slowed downwith the story delivered thus far in Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. After being somewhat corrupted by the use of the Darkhold, this variant of Strange discovered that his actions had actually set an Incursion in motion, resulting in one reality crashing into another, killing untold trillions in a flash. When Iron Man and Spider-Man boarded the ship to save Dr. The film arrives on April 26. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. In a random encounter, the answer is obvious. Doctor Strange would utterly wreck Thanos with his powers. Doctor Strange at regular levels can even After viewing millions of possible futures, Strange only saw one way to final victory over Thanos and it involved the Mad Titan winning, if only for the moment. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Bureaucracy being mightier than any super weapon is a a peery funny trope, but also true IRL. RELATED: Doctor Strange 2 Already Proved the Most Powerful Avenger's Worst Loss Made Him Stronger. "Thanos obtaining all the stones is, therefore, the only way Strange can truly win at this point. Despite Strange memorably saying "There was no other way" before disappearing in a haze of dust, he was quite wrong; there was indeed another way. Personally, I can't help but ponder that even with four stones on the gauntlet (power, space, reality and soul), Thanos would still have a difficult time (if not downright impossible) beating a time stone Doctor Strange, especially if he has prepped and time loop activitated --. Marvel confirms Doctor Strange could have easily stopped Thanos by using a horrific time-manipulation technique. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. It's a pretty solid supposition that this journey may provide the Avengers with a means to travel back in time without the use of the Time Stone. Strange has to ensure the BEST possible outcome that includes killing thanos with as little casualities. She's important too. In the comics, Drax is not only much stronger than his on-screen counterpart, he was essentially created to defeat Thanos. . . . . . . . . . . Just Why those possibilities didn't come up is a mystery, although it could be chalked up to Earth-616 not being in danger of an Incursion or any other kind of interactions with other universes before Spider-Man: No Way Home. I think that is a big reason why the avengers lost in Infinity war. With the Avengers locking Thanos in place and almost taking the Gauntlet, it could be assumed that they would've beaten him and taken all the Infinity Stones back. Knowing this, Doctor Strange starts to help the others execute a plan that almost takes Thanos out. Theres a reason why Strange didnt use that stone. Now, the iconic villain returns in a new way during Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, showing how Avengers: Endgame could have gone a different way with the Grimace look-alike. Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. However, as the 2016 Doctor Strange film suggested, tampering with time comes with its own costs, including the distinct possibility of Thanos being trapped in a time loop if he potentially attempted to repair the Gauntlet. In Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, Strange made it clear that there was only one way to defeat Thanos among more than 14 million options that he looked into. Are you willing to sacrifice others in order bring about the greater good. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. In infinity war , he went toe to toe with Thanos who had 4 infin Perhaps that needn't have happened if Doctor Strange had used the Time Stone's full powers just one film earlier. By venturing across the multiverse and weakening the walls separating different timelines, Strange was single-handily responsible for this event, to the horror of himself and his friends. On-screen stone feats only. What if Thanos takes the stone during one of the loops? All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. Tough to say, but I think Thanos might win this one still. So, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his nervous system send the signal down to act on that response all in way less than the blink of an eye. -Where is Captain Marvel? New Rumor Reveals Ben Affleck's Batman Involvement In James Gunn's DCU, Warner Bros. Unveils New Superman Movie Collection Amid DC Reboot, Robert Pattinsons The Batman 2 Gains Unsurprising Cast Member, Michael B. Jordan Shares Blunt Response to Black Superman Casting Rumors, Loki Season 2 Gets Release Date Update (Report), The Flash Movie Synopsis References Henry Cavill's Superman. To see the other way Thanos met defeat, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is in theaters now. RELATED: How Marvel's Eternals Hid in Plain Sight for Thousands of Years. Would have made for a less compelling story though i guess. Basically, it still brings me back to my original point: unless the stones act independently, and only in the best interest of Thanos, how would Thanos be able to react in time to actually activate the other stones' powers? However the real reason they lost is also the main moral question of the story. If the Avengers haddefeated Thanos on Titan, then the events in Eternalsmight've played out very differently. While Strangemay not have intervenedbecause he foresaw Thanos eventually using the Gauntlet either way, the fan theory suggests that he actually wanted the Snap to occur. Nope, not happening. Accessing the Book of Vishanti in Earth-616's universe may have not been possible at the time ofAvengers: Infinity War, or was only an option due to the Illuminati's specific members being around in Earth-838's realm. But it's clear that while other options might have been available in certain circumstances, Strange responded the best he could to the threat of Thanos in the MCU timeline. Doctor Strange In the Multiverse Of Madness, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4, like the connection to his brother Eros in, Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. We assume Strange still has precog information before Tony's snap from the dialogue; Tony asks "Is this it? As seen following the iconic snap, the Gauntlet was damaged, possibly beyond repair, and having removed Etri's hands following the Gauntlet's construction, it's unlikely that a replacement can be forged. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? Strange also doesn't like stark, possible he chose the first one stark dies lol. Yeah but that's when thanos was conscious, I'm saying if they tried this instead of pulling his gauntlet off when he was incapacitated, This all takes place after he sees the only way to win, so you have to assume that he did all the ideas posted here so far and none of them worked. the Mind Stone, the Time Stone, and the Soul Stone. Strange can't just fight Thanos the same way and be successful. My though would be maybe its a bad idea having all of the stones except one on a desolate planet with 2 narcissists who have proven in the past not capable of respecting the consequences of using infinity stones(and one of them seems to do it again in the next Spider-Man). Is this the one?" Marvel made it clear then that whosoever wields the Stones will always have the advantage as Warlock was able to They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. Although it's hard to tell how many Infinity Stones he possessedat that point in time, he already has the golden Gauntlet that Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir,most likely meaning that this moment wassimilar to the equivalent timeframe in Avengers: Infinity War. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Their leader Ajak may not have been inspired by Tony Stark's sacrifice and had the realization that Earth is worth saving. The time loop only worked on Dormammu like that because his realm had no relative time. Thanos and the Avengers' interests align in Avengers: Mech Strike #4by Jed Mackay and Carlos Magno. Furthermore, in round three when DS is given the opportunity to foresee all possibly future battle outcomes, he would know any potential tactics Thanos might use and thus could effectively steer the direction of battle away from these to ones that are more favourable toward himself. This bit brings up an interesting detail. new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. Before Thanos arrives, the group begins formulating a plan to defeat him. With the heroes of the MCU seemingly less conditioned to the bizarre limits of the multiverse, they may not have been able to counter before it destroyed their universe in the process. It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. 14 million is closer to zero than it is to infinity. If that's the case, how would Thanos know to use dark magic to protect himself against a threat that he couldn't even fathom yet (in terms of knowing how the magic itself actually works)? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Yea, there are a lot of situations where Thanos could have pretty easily been defeated. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. As a beingof our dimension, Thanos may not be quite as susceptible to a similar trick, especially given how driven he's presented as being. Of course, that's not to saymessing with time won't play a part in that More:Time Travel In The MCU & Avengers: Endgame Explained. For requests, comments, or to hear his pitch for a third Avatar series that incorporates robots, you can reach him atbs.zachary@gmail.com. Dormammu was ignorant of the stones and how they worked and how to use them. The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. There could have been a million ways to defeat thanos, but doing so in those ways may have left the stones in tact and thus a few years after thanos dies, someone else shows up and kills everyone. The examples can be seen of him going against Dormammu and Thanos. You may have also seen/heard him on the Total Geekall podcast, unaffiliated YouTube channels, BBC Radio and CBC News. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. Endgame revealed that this included the Avengers discovering time travel, going back to get the Stones, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life before Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos. When Strange reversed time in the final fight of his movie, Kaecellius and his followers broke out of the spell within few moments. Fantastic, and Doctor Strange, Eitri the Dwarf made for him on Nidavellir, the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need, because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life, Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos, Iron Man: Disney Releases Never-Before-Seen Post-Credits Clip Online, Mario MOVIE Director Confirms Princess Peach's Role Reversal. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. In the world of chess, an "endgame" strategy refers to the tactic of promoting a pawn into a more powerful piece and turn the tide of the game. Marvel admits Doctor Strange had another way to take care of Thanos through time manipulationbut Thanos would suffer a horrific fate. Unfortunately, nothing can stop the warlord, who goes as far as to nearly kill Tony Stark it's at this moment that Doctor Strange decides to give up the Time Stone. At the center of Avengers: Endgame was Josh Brolin's Thanos, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4after his quest for the Infinity Stones made an everlasting mark on the entire MCU. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. Stones are destroyed. Sam Raimi's Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals the way another reality defeated Thanos, and the massive cost it incurred. Tony Stark must earn the respect of Thanos during the fight so that he does not simply kill him because he can. In 2016's Doctor Strange, Stephen uses the Time Stone to age an apple forward in time, watching it rot in the span of seconds. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. However based on onscreen feats, I'm not sure either of them could counter the effect of time Stone. Strange has power over time and has used this offensively many times before, it would seem strange to me if he was only examining paths from the present one. Are these dimensions part of the same universe though? Joshua Isaak is a Comics Staff Writer for Screenrant and attended New York University. Perhaps there's a way to break Thanos' contract with the Stone. Round 2: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. If yes, how would he overcome the time loop/time freeze? RELATED:Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor. and Strange responds "If I tell you, it won't happen" (I'm paraphrasing here, these might not be their exact quotes), but we can infer that means that Strange thinks he's still on track with his vision (If we were already off track he could just say "No this different already but it doesn't mean its impossible to win" or something like that). The Quantum Realm has repeatedly been referred to as playing an important role in Endgame, and no surviving character knows the microscopic dimension better than Scott Lang. However, a new fan theory may explain the rationale behind Strange's decision to relinquish the Infinity Stone he had sworn his life to protect in exchange for Tony Stark's life despite previously vowing to let the ArmoredAvenger die if given the choice. Unlikely. Thanos is a master planner, he has thought of basically everything in most presentations of the character. He is a master of numerous fie The route the story goes into leaves us with thanos defeated, the worlds revived, the stones and the temptation they bring for power hungry monsters gone, and our heroes alive (most of them). ADVERTISEMENT Avengers: Mech Strike #4 ends with a dead Thanos and a team out of options - eerily similar to the beginning of Avengers: Endgame. Plus, while we have seen Thanos used the most basic form of time manipulation but simply turning the time back, he is not a socerer so there is no gurantee he could cast/undo the higher form of spells such as time-loop. Strange decided that he can not leave it up to chance. And what of the titular "endgame" itself? It's likely the main reason he was able to take Stormbreaker to the chest and still live. Almost all of the heros have made major self sacrifices in order to save others in the past. By sacrificing Gamora and thus earning a contract with the stone, it would ensure he was not killed or incapacitated in such a way that he would fail his mission to obtain all six Infinity Stones. The Sorcerer Supreme infamously never usedthe powers of the Time Stone in the fight against Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, and though he and his fellow Avengers eventually won the day, he paid dearly for his hesitation. WebThanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of He covers breakouts on comics, film, television, video games, and anime. Would the outcome have been any different if Strange, Iron Man and Spidey joined up with the rest of the Avengers in Wakanda during the final fight? Stopping someone like Thanos would always take sacrifice, and the ultimate cost of Endgame at least wasn't an entire reality. He can't control anything about time, just is independent of it. Tony Stark must do enough damage to Thanos to make him bleed and demonstrate to him that he can be defeated. So it appearsthat Doctor Strange wanted the Snap to occur, although some fans have taken the theory even further. I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. He had no way of breaking out of a time loop. Especially within his favourite franchises, such as Star Wars. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Thousands of other tiny variables that could affect the outcome of the battle. Thanos has stones here. The stones would've just kept being a thing otherwise. Doctor Strange 2 seemed to indicate that there was another way to defeat the Mad Titan besides the way it worked out in the Infinity Saga - one that didn't require the world to go through such turmoil. Some point out that Thanos' goal was to prevent overpopulation in the universe, and it's also possible that he knew of the Celestials and how they emerge. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. And a time loop isn't quite an immovable object. Press J to jump to the feed. Also, time-loop is not the only spell/skill in Doctor Strange's asenal, how would Thanos counter time-freeze right off the bat? Its a very stringent criteria for a victory.
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