The capsaicin in the bear spray will act as an irritant and will likely make the animal retreat. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. i think a .38 would tickle the bear more than anything. Not only does it take time to shoot, but it's also not enough to stop a cougar from coming at you. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! Inside the house, condo, apartment, or indoors such should Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged In my tests with 300 gr. There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. It is not that you have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the slowest member of your party. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. Answer (1 of 2): Plenty of them. That being said i would still rather has a single action 44 mag or 45 colt than a 9mm for bear defenseanyday! Dont leave your gun in the car. The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. Regarding your story about the two men from California who discharged bear spray in their hotel room in their haste to try it out forcing the hotel to gut and refinish the room entirely, of course after evicting the two Californians. At night you may wish a good shotgun and buck shot. Babb said the attack occurred while the boy and his family were taking a break from riding all-terrain vehicles. In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. Put up the fishing gear and settled in for the night. Photo Courtesy: Cork Graham. These lions belong there. If I cant do it with that then I guess I was destined to lose that fight. If there is any wind at all, the fog will only travel about 3 feet before it turns and drifts in the direction of the wind. The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. I find it odd that people who trust autoloading pistols for protection against instantaneous violent attack by humans do not trust them for bears? After being carjacked 2 years ago, I WILL NOT be a victim, again. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . If doing this with very heavy bullets a change in rifleing twist may be more suitable if longer ranges are expected. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. Its light and easy to carry.. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, Yes it is a bit heavy, but as said earlier.with a charging bear 8.5lbs of 458 SOCOM feels like a down pillow . For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise Two young men from SoCal (where else?) We dont know what caliber, make or model the handgun was. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. Had that sow felt threatened, I wouldnt have known what hit me. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. Related Tags: I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. However, I dont think that a short barrel revolver will produce such a velocity. Live in Alaska. Now he is a sports talk radio host for 104.3 the Fan . the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. While not nearly as large as a puma, Ive shot three rabid racoons around here. My advice: If youre standing, attempt to avoid a confrontation; and mentally prepare yourself for the greater likelihood that youll be on your back being chewed on. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. The Smith & Wesson 329 PD is by far the best handgun choice for self-defense against bears and boars while out and about in the woods. Ive hunted brown bear three times with a hand gun only. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. Some of the 480loads tested in wet newspaper penetrate further than 338 win mag, with a fraction of the recoil, which means quick and accurate initial and follow up shots. Bears, wild critters, thats all very nice and fluffy. No thanks. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. Same applies to the Redhawk if you insist on a DA. It definitely works. Mountain lion attacks on humans, however, are rare in Colorado, with Colorado Parks and Wildlife counting fewer than 20 over the past 30 years. Its getting to be real world, daily and wont get better until folks like us step up and step forward. Handloads push a 300-grain to just over 1,000 fps, so it just cracks the code. Weve got them here in the Central Mountains of Utah. Why not? Considering all the crap I have received from all the internet commandos and bear experts for foolishly using only a 9mm I am glad I was not carrying my Tokarev! 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. But these loads would likely destroy an old Peacemaker, or other similar guns. Bear spray is actually bear fogger and comes out in a finely atomized mist with absolutely no chance of moving against even the faintest of breezes. Look it up. Usually blacktail deer. May 24, 2022 Alexis. I have always heard, or read, that one should use heavy for caliber, hard cast lead bullets for bear. Exactly. Really. You should also use common sense when traversing through these areas by avoiding mannerisms that could be interpreted by a bear that youre easy prey. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. I was charged and shot the first round at about 15 ft. 2nd followed immediately. Mountain Lion Foundation Also, for killing venomous snakes. Dogs and coyotes have one indent at the bottom of their pads. Definitely not in the same category as a Mounain lion. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. It is likely this mountain lion killed the lambs as they are readily available. Im not against revolvers. Packing out is much less distance here in Wyoming where we huntbut the bears here seem to have much less fear of humans than they did in Alaska. My first handgun was just that at age 18, and now I tote a Blackhawk Hunter in .45, loaded with 325 gr HC with GC and 22 grains of H-110 (Ruger Blackhawk or Thompson Contender ONLY!!!) . .357 Magnum revolver. My thought If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I want POWER ! A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. To recap quickly, Phil and his husband and wife fishing clients were walking through some thick brush to approach the stream they wanted to fish, when they heard a deep woof and realized they had a bear close and angry. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. Also, my pre-1982 A glock 20 (10 mm) has 16 rounds and with the correct ammo is pushing 41 magnum range. Underwood now has a 230grain all copper extreme hunter load at 1700fps. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. Ammunition To Go : 50rds - 38 Special Federal LE 158gr. A mountain lion was killed in the Santa Monica Mountains, becoming the first killed under the state's depredation law, a National . He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. He killed the first recorded Texas alligator attack on a man on land EVER! Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. Does that mean my woods gun a .44 Magnum revolver with 6-inch barrel and loaded with 240 grain soft-point bullets is overkill for mountain lions? Great point with the Redhawk recommendation! # 3. Now thats an appropriate comment. I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. What part of the state? I call BS. Moutain Lions arent bear-zombie-meat-tanks. Its got the velocity, but wonder if it would have the penetration? That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Your wife and kids will thank you. When it comes to the coastal brown bear, thats a whole different animal. I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. And no, I do not bother with bear spray. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. Lets get my own choices out of the way first. Mountain lion facts. Its available right now, only in 9 mm, .40 S & W and you rig will protect you. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. The free enterprise system in Africa works for big game, and for the villagers. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. Did they field dress and later skin it ? in bullet weight and energy. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. This would include insanely lar. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. Dogs' and bobcats' toes are shaped like an oval. Folks need to realize that most .45 Colt cases are not strong enough to handle those high pressure loads even if the gun could. You have entered an incorrect email address! He said none. Until its needed. By Anders Anglesey On 11/3/21 at 11:39 AM EDT. Please reply. Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. Good article. A .38 caliber revolver naturally makes an ideal companion for fishing, camping, hunting, Listed were all the big names but one very powerful handgun was not mentioned. With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. .45 Colt may be questionable, but better than a .38. while you are on the road system you are in cell phone communications 90% of the time. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. Im more concerned with the organized gang activity here in Denver than all of the wild animal encounters in the universe. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. They are not a pleasant round to shoot but manageable for me, I have been shooting the 44mag pistol for almost 50 years and have lived in Interior Alaska for 38 years now. His wife left Houston shortly after he passed. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. Can you shoot while on your back or while youre being chewed on? Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. Penetration and shot placement are king. Certainly a .22 is enough to kill anything if you shoot it in the head point blank. If I gotta shoot something that wants to eat me ! The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. He is a hard-core gun guy and he agrees with me on cartridges, guns and bullets. Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. Its a simple concept. When the smoke cleared the bear knew where I was (on the ground) and headed my way. The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. You are on the Alaskan highways lets get that straight. Ruger, You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. carry the biggest piece of iron that you can place multiple rounds accurately and in very little time, amigos.. 9MM hollow points will kill anything in Texas short of a feral hog. I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. Chances are youll only get to use one? This is a real concern on the outskirts of . For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. is excellent. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. But I enjoy listening to people who think they know everything prove they dont. All shots were heart lung.The racoon dispatched with a .45 was knocked about 4 inches sideways, crawled about a foot and died, the racoons shot with the 9 mm flinched and continued staggering towards a brushy ditch and escape, I placed a shot between the shoulder blades as I had gotten behind it and advanced from the high bank of the ditch. 50 round box should last a lifetime. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. The video shows the mountain lion sneaking up around a corner behind an unsuspecting deer and rapidly tackling it to the ground, before dragging it off by its neck. 1. Having read that the US Fish and Game guys carried .357 Mag in bear country, but this was in the 1970s, and I have no ides how true that was or is now, I figured 10mm S&W with hardball would do the job even better, but the hunters I hang with think that never gets old. You can keep the Roland! cougars From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. Just my thoughts!! In the middle of our camps we kept a ready shotgun on a small folding table so if a quick exit from the tents was called for, everyone at least know where that one was. 480 ruger penetrated steel railroad plates by hitting so hard, the steel cracked and shattered. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. Reply. Carry to fit your states wild life? I usually carry it in a cross-draw holster that allows me to ride a horse or ATV. Sheep and goats are the most commonly killed domestic livestock, but mountain lions also kill cattle, Size. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. I can hit an outboard engine at 100 yards. death by wild beast is now becoming more common. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. Absolutely. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. Sounds like you have everything covered. Its not the bear in the fight, its the fight in the bear. Thanx! NEDERLAND A mountain lion killed after it attacked two dogs in a neighborhood near Nederland on Dec. 27 had no dog remains in its gut when it died, according to a Colorado Parks and Wildlife necropsy report. But in advanced Industrialized Countries your a dying bread of cat. They always seem to show up. Something else. the game warden. That wouldnt do it for me. Watch on. 4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . I enjoyed the article. However, they also prove a nuisance to local livestock. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. However, please dont cast aspersions toward those who have done their own homework and made their own best choices. The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. Im not a hunter, but a hiker. I believe he used a 9mm. Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. The Blackhawk is tough as nails, and while it may not have the prestige of a Colt Single Action Army, it is utterly dependable. bear which turned on him. A .38 snubby? By Mary Forgione. I am also, by trade, a Professional Land Surveyor, so my work hours are often spent in the remote wilderness areas. Always do your homework before entering any unfamiliar land, especially bear infested areas so you will be acquainted with these and other survival techniques including escape routes should you encounter an emergency situation. A sidearm is a very smart idea. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. I have yet to set foot in Alaska, but I have many friends and colleagues who either live there, or have significant hunting experience in the 49th state, where encounters with brown bears can honestly represent the hunter becoming the hunted. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. load of No. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . Speaking of cougars, check out this video from Barcroft TV. The 400gr cowboy loads are mild and I could shoot them all day. Now, my colleague and fellow Alaskan Phil Shoemaker has effectively defended himself with a 9mm against a charging brown bear, but I prefer to carry a .45 ACP with me as my round. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! For self defense/house protection/ A mountain lion has slaughtered 27 lambs on a farm in Northern California but did not eat a single one. The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. And its usually charging you in a self-defense situation where youre trying to penetrate all that meat, gristle and bone in the way of its vital organs. The entire time I was a patrol officer, 5 years, I carried a revolver. coyote-wolf hybrids Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? Which brings up the old but true adage. The dogs are most often released at the kill site, where they pick up the lion's scent and track the lion until it is cornered or climbs a tree. I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The experience led me to think about bear, cougar, and moose encounters that can happen on my property. May 23, 2022 / by / in . Cue the whining about how much of a shame it is to kill such a majestic animal. 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