~ Christine. Even though Jones died in 1971, his male descendants DNA could be tested to determine if he was the culprit responsible for Muriels murder. The comments below have not been moderated. We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Martyn Lloyd-Evans again regarding the letter from D.C.Paul Rogers. The D.N.A. Colin Dark suggested the possibillity of using D.N.A to identify who took the books into the shop with the hope of identifying the killer. However, the BBC documentary Darklands shown in November 2020 identified Ronald Harries who murdered his aunt and uncle as Muriels killer, and a cousin of Harries was shown in the documentary and was expected to give DNA to prove or disprove the theory.. "[14][5], In 2020, the BBC One documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers suggested that Ronnie Harries could be the murderer. with South Wales Police has recently conceded that it CANNOT be categorically stated that Harold Jones has been ruled out completely as Muriels killer. After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. "All historic murder cases, or 'cold cases', are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. Her murder became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. I contacted D.S. If the perpetrator was lying in wait as I believe he was, why select that certain spot? An amazing campaign by Neil Milkins, but unfortunately, no breakthrough for Muriel. Despite their inve. [4], More than 3,000 mourners attended Drinkwater's funeral on 2 July. [16][17], In 2010, the Lord Chancellor's Advisory Council on National Records and Archives closed off public access to the case, acting at the behest of Scotland Yard. Her killer has never been caught and it remains among the most notorious unsolved murders in Welsh history you can read more of them here. 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[4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. There were whispers that it was her stepfather that did it, although I believe John Drinkwater was her blood father. Two months too young to face the gallows, he was sent to Usk Prison where he sensationally confessed to the first killing, blaming the voice of a 'demon' in his head. Neil. She was beaten, raped and shot twice just yards from her family's isolated farmhouse in 1946. Would a nephew definitely suffice to prove a link to Harol Jones and the crime scene stain on Muriels coat. But Muriel, who was known locally as 'The Little Nightingale' because of her beautiful singing voice, never made it home. Video, 00:00:41Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. There are far too many retired people out there who want to write books about unsolved murders, trawling through these records and coming up with half-baked theories.. And no idea and Japanese workers. He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". [citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. It was the first time he had spoken publicly about the tragedy that haunts his family to this day. Video, 00:01:00At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. Who sodomises a 12 year old girl and batters her about the head, then shoots her twice in the chest? He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? Happier times: Alex Murdaugh, Maggie and their sons are the picture-perfect family in never-before-seen photos taken on a hunting trip just a few years before brutal slayings, 'Why isn't he being prosecuted?' In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. Jones was only 15 when he killed eight-year-old Freda Burnell, who'd been sent by her father to buy bird seed from the store where Jones was working. 'Each case is reviewed periodically. She was singing . But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts found a semen stain found on Muriel's coat. I have a special interest in this case as I too was brought up in Penllergaer. Video, 00:02:36, Up Next. He died at that address in 1971. I am making a F.O.I. 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The case, which became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head and shot twice while walking home. See link to Jones and other murders. I hope Margaret gets the answers she deserves sooner rather than later. Something went wrong, please try again later. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. Like you I hope there is justice one day for Muriel but sadly as more and more time passes I worry that becomes less likely. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? Pinterest. There was another murder in 1943. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. She had been attacked on the lane and then she was dragged to where the body was left.". We are no longer accepting comments on this article. "We realise whoever did this might be dead, but if he is alive and in his 80s or even 90s we would like to see him behind bars," said Muriel's great-niece Claire Phillips, speaking about developments last October. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head . This true crime happened in Penllegaer Woods on the outskirts of Swansea in 1946. I have spoken to former D.C.I Paul Bethel and given him this information. Birth: 16 Jan 1878: If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. Sadly though, this has proved not to be. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. This post deals with sexual assault and might be triggering for some readers. However, in 2008, a team of retired detectives investigating cold cases found Drinkwater's clothes in storage. Hi Neil. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. Hi Sherlock. They have a suspect in the murder case and a cousin of the suspect has given D.N.A to prove whether or not the cousin Ron Harries was the killer. Would you be able to tell me please if Harries has been cleared of Muriels murder as well. "[4] Police also circulated photos of the United States Army-issued gun; notably, perspex had been used to modernise the original wooden stocks next to the grip. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. Regards. I was made aware the following day that my request would NOT be granted. Muriel Drinkwater - Swansea, 1946 On 27th June 1946, Margaret Drinkwater was making tea in the family farm house in Penllegaer near Swansea when she looked out of the window to see her daughter . He also fixates on the fact that he is married to a younger woman, that she is five years younger than him, that she started going out with him when she was still in school. Great questions! "The farm was a painful place for my grandparents to be," said Martin, who still keeps a little battleship toy that Muriel had given him. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. The 12-year-old attended Gowerton County Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret ( ne Morgans) Drinkwater. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. It is one of the oldest active cold cases in the United Kingdom. Can you explain please. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. And the truth will never be known. [13] However, in 2019, South Wales Police stated that forensic tests on the DNA "categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Arrested once again, Jones this time pleaded guilty to the charge of murder at aMonmouthcourt in November 1921. However, if it wasnt for Victor Penaluna and D.C. Paul Rogers of the London Metropolitan Police I would have been none the wiser about the Muriel Drinkwater murder. Their bodies were found buried in a Carmarthenshire kale field in 1953 you can read the full story here. DNA was taken from the relatives of both Muriel and Ronnie Harries but the results have not been made public. Why on earth would the police continue to stonewall after all these decades? Dear Sir/Madam. Video, 00:00:42, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Does his daughter have a son.? Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. I am not a DNA scientist so sadly I cannot answer this question for you. Muriels niece is in a dreadful state. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. And if you want to write a guest post that covers the update for distribution on the website, let us know. http://www.tcbmediarights.com/screeners/dark_son.html. I received the following letter from D.C. Paul Rogers on 6 December 2007. Learn more about managing a memorial . All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. Welsh author Neil Milkinsargues that Harold Jones,a convicted murderer who killed two girls in Abertillery in 1921 when he was just 15 years old, was Muriels killer. An autopsy later determined that Muriel had been bludgeoned, raped, and shot twice in the chest. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Just put my name in Facebook bar. They never recovered. Video, 00:01:20WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. Mudgee General Cemetery. Elizabeth Muriel Greenshields Drinkwater . On the back of the coat, a no-longer-visible semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. 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I live on the land of penllergaer woods and I have some information that I think u would like to hear.. how can I get in contact with u to chat.? More here: https://bit.ly/WoodlawnJaneDoe. South Wales Police some years ago announced that a potential suspect Hubert Hoyles had been cleared of Muriels death through DNA profiling. Jones was released from prison in December of 1941, so he was a free man when Muriel was killed. She may or may NOT have been Jones biological daughter. Harries was hanged in 1954 for the double murder of John and Phoebe Harries. Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. Dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', the 12-year-old had been killed amongst the undergrowth at Penllergaer Woods whilst on her way home from school one June afternoon. [10], Police visited every house within 150 square miles and interviewed 20,000 men in Swansea and in neighbouring Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. Just before his execution, Harries gave an extraordinary interview to the tabloid press from his jail cell. The Little Red Riding Hood murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Something went wrong, please try again later. The killer was dubbed Jack The Stripper because of the way he left his victims. 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The authorities went as far as to suggest that someone in the Penllergaer region knows about the murder weapon but is protecting the owner by withholding information. The police have DNA but keep any results they may have a closely guarded secret. Was a local stalking Muriel? Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. Hey Babes!I'm back with another True Crime Tuesday case and todays case is about the murder of Muriel Drinkwater also known as the little red riding hood mur. In 2008,Detective Chief Inspector Paul Bethell located Muriels blue coat, underwear, and school uniform in police storage. Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. Muriel Drinkwater murder: Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. Interesting insights! Those who have not failed may not have succeeded. There are, of course, other theories regarding who was lying in wait on that fateful day. It was believed the victim's clothes had been lost. "I found the original clothing," he said. There is no doubt about that.". I really appreciate your local insights. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Im not sure how much of a farming business the family had or if they just casually sold eggs like many people in the country do. <p>The school bus dropped Muriel Drinkwater at her usual stop, leaving her to walk the last part of her journey home to the family farm in Penllergaer, West Wales. Two other specific persons of interest have been put forward. This was no spur of the moment event. "We had access to the files and identified that a semen stain had been found on the coat. I am awaiting D.N.A tests to be carried out on Harold Jones family members. Paul says: "Muriel had almost made it to the home. And I also think there are likely more victims. taken from Jones exhumed body can the police honestly say catergorically that Jones was or was not Muriels killer. Thanks again for sharing this. During the course of the investigation the finger of blame had sometimes been pointed at Muriel's father, John. Regards. After a previous visit to the Drinkwater family farm, Hoyles was surprised when a man in his thirties withthick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket stepped from the bushes at exactly the same location where Muriel was later ambushed. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. Thank you so much for this detailed update. Police confirmed a cold case review on the stain found on Muriel's coat in 1946 had now been tested by forensics teams. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. I had informed him that Harold Jones had been living incognito in various West London locations after his release from prison in 1941. 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